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End of Summer Clones

Picked up a Super Sprouter propagation kit last month and started a new batch of clones.

Pretty much the same technique I’ve been using - Start with a healthy tip.

Strip off all the leaves except the top two and snip most of those to reduce transpiration. Then make a clean 45 degree cut below the bottom node.

Dip the stem in rooting hormone. I prefer the gel type over the powdered ones, seems to stick better.

And then carefully push the stem into the growing medium. I used peat plugs that were soaked in water that was pH’ed to around 5.5 and had a little SuperThrive added.

This year I kept them inside where the temperature stayed right around 80 degrees under the dome, and kept the light that came with the propagation kit on 24x7. Also made sure that the plugs stayed moist, but not sitting in water. Humidity mostly stayed in the 90’s.  

They started sprouting roots right at three weeks.

Over the next few weeks I’d move the ones with roots into small pots filled with perlite and Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil.

We've had torrential rain in South Florida and I lost a few to rot. Next time I’ll keep them covered until they get bigger. Probably end up with about half of what I started with.

Some of them are from my one year old West Kali seedlings (the two on the right)

And the rest are from my two year old Rifat that’s just finishing up flowering.

Now comes the hard part, figuring out what to do with them.


Picking A 10ft kratom tree before transport.

Picking a 10ft kratom tree before transport

We are picking this 2 year old 10ft tall kratom tree before we transport it. We do this so that the leaf does not get damaged during transport. 40mph winds can damage kratom leaf. It is best to wrap them up if you can. You can see us drive the tree here: and you can see the tree vertical where I failed to move it here: . This tree is one of 3 that we have to move and I will post the other moves when I film them. Thank you to Joshua for helping me out.



Finally blooming

After 4+ years I have my first blooms coming into play and on two of my oldest trees. I have a feeling it's because I gave them a dose of nitrogen


Cut a 7 foot tree to 2 inches

This was one of two trees that had fire blight. Killed the first one but the second one look like it was surviving it. I thought about keeping it to see if it would make it, but I was afraid it could spread to the other trees. Should be an interesting experiment to see what the tree does.

This is what fireblight looks like. Well at least that's what I currently believe it is until I learned otherwise.



Sourcing in Florida

Hey all, I'm new here. Hoping I'm posting in the right place. I'm located in Venice, Florida and looking for someone within an hour or two that I can get some clones or root cuttings from. Thanks all!


Status Update! We got the kratom tree moved. Met someone with a engine lift and we lifted it off of the ground. We still had to drag it to the truck but we got it moved.

Status Update! We got the kratom tree moved. Met someone with a engine lift and we lifted it off of the ground. We still had to drag it to the truck but we got it moved.


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Failed kratom tree pick up

I tried picking up this kratom tree today but I physically could not get it off the ground. Not even a inch. Anyone have any suggestions on how it could be moved?


Watering questions?

I have some 3 month old kratom cuttings.  I have a moisture  meter and 4 days after watering the top half is 4/10 moisture(fairly dry feeling) but the bottom half is still like 9 of 10.  Is it common to only need watering once a week if grown indoors under led?  Or do I go ahead and water and leave the bottom constantly  very wet? I don't want rot issues.

Pot has good drainage and mix is ocean forest with maybe 15 to 20 percent added perlite. 


Kratom Turning Black With Spots of Mold

Hi, there!

I got my first kratom tree this year, she was quite small when I got her. She was very healthy. I'm in the Southern hemisphere in South Africa and we are now in the middle of winter where we have an average of 7 celsius. I originally had her growing in a small greenhouse tent and things were going great, but it is now way too windy and had to remove her from it. Her leaves started falling off which I attribute to the drop in humidity. The scary part is that the top part is going black. There are spots of fuzzy mould on her, I have no idea what type it is or if its what is causing the damage. I have now snipped off most of the black part which I perceived to be dead.

Can someone please advise what to do? Should I bring her at night? Should I spray with hydrogen peroxide? Should I cut off more?

Thanks in advance!


Kratom alley

need to do some pruning on some of these so they bush out a little bit more


Kratom disease identification

I've lost one tree to this disease whatever it may be.

And I have another that is in the process of dying. It seems to die from the end of the branches inward one branch at a time.

It seems to be attacking the bark or that layer between the bark and the tree not really sure. The bark splits and looks like it's eating away.

I should note that I had a Japanese plum we're also called a loquat tree in this spot that died a few years ago from what look like to be the same shit. Up to this point I've tried everything I could think of as far as sprays and now I'm just letting it go to see if this one happens to survive. It does manage to produce a new growth in spots. Any input?



Grasshopper had too much Kratom

The big guy hasn't moved anything other than his antenna.


Huge leaves

one of my Kratom trees which is 4 years old started producing these giant leaves. They sure are beautiful

Another tree which is a little over a year old also started developing larger leaves


we've all had to deal with ye

we've all had to deal with yellowing leaves. Well I finally found a solution. You can see the yellow leaves with green veins and then the new growth which is the lovely deep green we all desire. This was accomplished by my new secret weapon, ammonium sulfate. Which has an NPK number of 21-0-0 this is a 7ft tree and I sprinkled 3 tablespoons ammonium sulfate around it halfway between the trunk and the drip line. As you can see the new growth now looks like it's supposed to. I'm in the middle of trying this on some javanika and I expect the same results


Kratom growers Facebook group.

Hello. I created a Facebook group for kratom growers just wanted to invite you all to it 🙂.


Growing indoors?

anyone else growing indoors? Could use a little advice. My tree has reached the height that I want so I have topped it off. My question, is there a was to encourage more bushy growth? I'm limited on space and I want to maximize leaf production. Any other advice is also welcome. Or if you just want to chat that is also cool. Hope you all are having a wonderful day!


Re: [She’s back from the dead!](/topic/4477/she-s-back-from-the-dead) always nice to see success. I have yet to have any of my plants Bloom yet.


Failed air layering still prod

Failed air layering still produced some great growth.


Is anyone else freaking out about the aliens??

Is anyone else freaking out about the aliens??!!!!! 


She’s back from the dead!

And starting to flower again. 


New grower

Hey guys my names Nolan. I live in Ventura county in Southern California and I have been using Kratom for about 4 years now to treat chronic pain, fibromyalgia, and other health issues I have. I literally just downloaded this app after seeing it on Kratom the Trees YouTube channel and I really think it’s amazing to have a community like this for Kratom. I want to grow my own plants and any help/resources anyone can give would be much appreciated! If anyone’s down to trade seeds or starts I have Cannabis as well as tons of other vegetable, herb and flowers and other plant seeds that id be down to trade. If any of you guys have any links to info about growing too that you just think would be useful please let me know as well! I hope you all have a  beautiful day, I’m happy to be here. 


​Looking for a Socratic curiosity!

Looking for a Socratic curiosity!


Kratom Dragonfly

Me and the dragonflies are patiently waiting for my buds to start opening.


Weird tree trouble

I've been running into the weirdest three problems lately. I have two trees that are just dying on me. As you will see in the video they don't look good. The soil pH is 6 to 6.2 and I have given them a dose of iron and black cow. They're on an automatic watering system getting water daily. I've never had or seen this type of problem. Any ideas?


Leaving dormancy

It's about time these things started to wake up. I still have a number of trees that don't have a single leaf on them, yet. This one you can see the results of pruning. I'm going to have lots of branches on this one. Most of mine are coming out rather yellow right now though. Not really sure what's going on but they all got a dose of iron, we'll see.



Just in case anyone wonders if soil and amendments really make a difference when growing.
I moved my Kratom plants into bigger containers a couple months ago and had enough leftover soil for one container, so I planted some extra lemon balm and chamomile plants. That’s the container on the right. The soil was Fox Farms Ocean Forest with extra perlite, worm castings, a little blood meal and a few tablespoons of Azomite.
I still had some extra plants so I put them into the container on the left. I just used some Kellog potting soil from Home Depot. Cheapest they had.
All plants were from the same seeds and started together in Jiffy peat pods. Planted in same size fabric containers at same time and getting same sun, water, and nutrients.
I don’t know if it’s really worth the extra cost just for herbs. But I’ll always pay a few buck more and use the good stuff for my Kratom plants.


well a large branch on one of

well a large branch on one of my oldest and largest Kratom trees decided to split. Pretty upsetting that's such a large branch broke.

At first I thought I might be able to tie it up but it was just too large so then I cut off most of it and attempted again and it just wasn't going to work. So it turned into an early Harvest and some trimming.

So now I got this big gaping open side on my tree. Started looking at some of the other larger branches and I'm starting to consider trimming some of those to avoid this from happening again. Anybody else run into this?


Take a few leaves to boil into

Take a few leaves to boil into kratom tea water. taken in the morning and at night before going to bed.


Kratom abuse 101. I have 20 K

Kratom abuse 101. I have 20 Kratom plants in 1 gallon pots that I have sadly abused. Actually it's more neglected than anything else. They're on a automatic watering system where they get water twice a day so that is what has kept them alive thus far. So now they're more of experimentation plants. I have taken a couple and planted them around the yard and they rebound quite well. If anyting this little experiment should show just how resilient this plant really is.

All 20

Hell, this one is growing horizontally. There are actually a couple of them in this batch that are doing this.

All of them are discolored with Crispy edges on some of the leaves and rather lanky.

If anyone is near the Tampa Florida area I will let you adopt one or two.


My West Kali’s look like they

My West Kali’s look like they have blood in their veins. 

With Halloween coming up I might need to hang some garlic from the branches. 


Last summer I picked up a 10

Last summer I picked up a 10 pound bag of Azomite rock dust from Amazon for around 20 bucks. I know it sounds crazy to buy rock dust but this stuff sounded pretty amazing. It comes from a desert in Utah that was once an ancient seabed where the ash and other material from a volcanic eruption had settled.

Most fertilizers replenish nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium (NPK), but generally don’t add secondary nutrients, micronutrients, or any of the other trace minerals and elements that plants need. Azomite contains around 70 and seems to be the best and least expensive way to replenish them in soil. 

With that said, I’m guessing that good quality potting soil already has what plants need, at least before it gets used up. But my property is basically built on compacted construction debris with a layer of crappy St. Augustine grass on top. And even if some of the minerals are already there it looks like there isn’t any harm in adding more. I’ve been using it in my containers, around my Kratom tree, and scratching it into my herb garden and everything is growing well.

You don’t need to use too much of it. I do a few heaping tablespoons around my tree, and a couple teaspoons scratched into to top of containers. Still have about half the bag, and that’s after a year of using it and giving some away.

Do your plants really need everything in Azomite? Probably not, but they definitely need some. The importance of minor nutrients has been known for a couple centuries. There’s an old theory called ‘Law of the Mimimum’ that essentially applies the saying “a chain is only as strong as its weakest link” to cultivation. You can add all the major nutrients your plant can handle, but the lack of just one minor can prevent it from thriving. 


The theory was popularized by Justus von Liebig who is considered to be the father of the fertilizer industry and modern agriculture.

It was based on work by another German chemist, Carl Sprengel.

We owe quite a bit to these dudes. Next time you have some kratom tea, lift your glass to them and shout Prost!


To plant or not to plant? I ha

To plant or not to plant? I have over 20 plants that are about 3 ft tall in pots that I would like to plant. But, it's kind of late in the season to do that. Hell I have 20 + freshly rooted cuttings I need to put into pots. I should have better planned ahead. I am in zone 9B so generally I should be okay but temperatures have gotten down into the high twenties here.


It’s time to repot my West Kal

It’s time to repot my West Kali seedlings so I took a trip to my local hydro store to pick up some soil and fabric pots. If you’ve never been to one, I recommend finding one close to you and checking it out. Maybe it’s just me, but I love checking out cultivation products.

While I was there I looked at their mycorrhizae products. I’d recently seen a couple kratom growers on another site recommending them and their plants were looking great. 

The gentleman at the store recommended trying a brand named Recharge. 

What peaked my interest was that it also contained fulvic and humic acids, and amino acids. I saw a post on Reddit recently about using fulvic and humic acids to force plants to create horned leaves. Have also read that some amino acids can increase alkaloid production. I also liked that it can be used when watering. Most other brands are used when transplanting only. 

If you’re not familiar with mycorrhizae they’re fungi that work with a plants roots to make nutrients more available. They also help to protect plants from drought and other stresses.

Here are a couple links with more info.

I gave all my clones away except one, so I can’t do any tests at the moment to see if it makes a difference, but there seems to be way more upside than downside to giving it a try.

I’ll keep you posted. 


Air layering, I have tried it

Air layering, I have tried it on several other plants and have been unsuccessful so far. One of my big Thai trees was starting to shoot straight up and lanky I've decided I wanted to top it anyway. Good chance to attempt another air layering. So here it goes


we are told that the alkaloid

we are told that the alkaloid production in Kratom plants is a self-defense mechanism keep the plant from being eaten by bugs. First off I'm not sure how anyone would really know that be the case. But let's assume that is true. I have also read that based on that theory harvesting Leafs off the plant cause the plant produce more alkaloids as a self-defense reaction.

If all that is true then by Theory, going along and cutting the leaves in half would increase alkaloid production because the plant is under attack. Maybe not even in half, maybe only cutting off 20%.



Unhappy plant  Had t

Unhappy plant  

Had to run some errands this morning so didn’t get a chance to water. When I came back almost every tip looked like this. Florida summers are brutal. 


I have got severe yellowing i

I have got severe yellowing in all of my potted plants. An acidic soil seems to be my problem but I can't get anything to make a difference in the plants. I've used lime, fish Emulsion and even baking soda with no effects


planted some trees little too

planted some trees little too close together now I need to move them around. Are about 4 ft tall been in the ground probably a good six months. any tips or tricks to having a more successful relocation? Or would you leave them there

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